...Socrates on Piety in Justice Towards the end of Plato’s dialogue The Euthyphro, Socrates takes the lead in a debate regarding what defines pious action and uncharacteristically gives significant insight to his own thoughts on what he believes piety to be and its relation to justice. As Socrates poses leading questions on the subject, Euthyphro attempts to reach a concrete definition of piety. At one point he comes very close to doing so, but Socrates quickly and perhaps deliberately changes the direction of the argument back towards uncertainty and confusion. As is the case with most of the Socratic Dialogues, The Euthyphro ends before an agreed conclusion is reached. Towards the end of the dialogue Euthyphro has grown weary of the debate. In an attempt to keep the conversation from losing all momentum, Socrates leads him to assert that piety is only a part of the larger set of justice (12d). This means that what is pious is necessarily just, but what is just is not necessarily pious. Afterwards, Euthyphro defines piety as the part of justice “concerned with tending to the gods, while the remaining part of the just if concerned with tending to human beings” (12e). Socrates focuses on Euthyphro’s use of the word “tend”, and uses his typical method of scrutinization to force Euthyphro into a corner. The argument follows that all tending shares the same aim of benefiting the thing being tended. Therefore, a man’s pious action would actually make the gods better. Euthyphro...
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...Socrates Search for the Meaning of Piety Despite that there are a significant amount of atheists, religions and cultures throughout the world, piety is still relevant to today’s society. But what does it really mean? Euthyphro is a strong believer that he contains the divine knowledge of what the God’s deliberate to be pious. Euthyphro provided numerous definitions to Socrates throughout the dialogue, none of which seemed to satisfy Socrates. I will analyze the transitions and the circular pattern of conversation between Socrates and Euthyphro, where they are attempting to make a reasonable definition of the term “piety” and try to articulate what it really means. In order to define piety, it is necessary to understand what role the gods played in Athens’ society during Socrates and Euthyphro’s existence. All of society’s wrong doers were seen as insulting the gods. It was considered to be ungodly to do things like hurting your own families or city because these things were considered to be sacred by the gods. This led the wrong doers to be indicted for the sake of the gods. Many of these aspects of piety were unknown to Socrates, which is why he seeks the divine knowledge of Euthyphro. Socrates believes that if he is able to explain to the courts that he has learned the true meaning of piety that his charges may get dismissed. Euthyphro’s first definition of piety that he presented to Socrates referred to Euthyphro prosecuting his father for manslaughter. Euthyphro...
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.... Piety is a word that brings up religious images like pious acts of devotion to a religious faith. Piety comes from the Latin pietas meaning dutiful conduct. In ancient Greece piety was more commonly known as Eusebia. Eusebia did not mean either of the above things, but meant more. Eusebia was how one spoke to their slaves or how a seller would be spoken to as well as how one would conduct themselves with the gods in mind. Piety was taken up from Greco-Roman virtue ethics by the Christian tradition. Piety has been a concept that has had various forms through Western history. It had been confused with pity along the way, but the core devotion remained the same. The patriarchal model for piety is a son’s devotion to the father. Literally this remains an important strand of the concept. This also forms a template for other forms of piety. These include devotions to the god’s. Generally the term virtue comes from notions of manliness. It seems to provide a useful frame for understanding the progressive values of piety. Monotheistic religions have the anthropomorphic God, hence piety will always take a form inflected with an anthropomorphic relationship with a personal, willful, engaged deity. The Greeks in the ancient world expressed piety by having festivals, going to shrines, and having sacrifices. The Greeks showed their devotion to the gods publicly as they felt that if the gods where not honored then they would destroy everyone and everything. In Euthyphro Socrates...
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...Filial Piety Filial piety is the root of virtue and the source of civilization. The family has always been considered by the Chinese as the fundamental unit of their society. They think that since we receive our body, hair, and skin from our parents, we do not dare let it be injured in any away. That is the beginning of filial piety. Different classes have different ways to fulfill filial piety. Filial piety begins with serving our parents, continues with serving the rulers. For Son of Heaven, the filial piety consists in serving his parents and complete love and respect so that he becomes a model for the all people. The filial piety of feudal lords is to preserve wealth and rank for a long time, so they will be bale to protect their heritage and keep their people in peace. The filial piety of ministers and high officers is to speak proper words and follow something inside the Way. For scholars, they need to serve a ruler loyally and serve an elder obediently. The filial piety of common people is to follow the laws of nature to utilize the earth to the best advantage. They have to take care of themselves and support their parents. Thus from Son of Heaven to common people, unless filial piety is from beginning to end, calamities will surely result. Filial piety is the pattern of the Heaven, the standard of the earth, the normal conduct for the people. The former kings set an example of rectitude and virtue, and they make clear to people the difference between good and...
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...Zeng Zi, as a Confucian, he canonized filial piety (Xiao) which is the essential part of Confucianism as well as the foundation of virtue. For this reason, there is a need to know more about Confucianism. According to Confucianism, role ethics (especially family roles) has been placed in the very central place of morality. Filial piety remains the most important value regulating the behavior of children towards their elderly parents. It means respecting elderly parents is an obligation as well as the social norm in the Chinese community. As regard to the quotation above, Zeng Zi first mentioned that “We inherit our parents' body”. There is a very famous sentence from The Classic of Filial Piety (Xiao Jing, 孝經) , say, “Our body, hair and...
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...The moral concept of piety reserves ancient prominence among philosophical theories reminiscent of the Occidental World and Western traditions. The particular dynamic associated with this notion, revered piety as a discrete code of conduct to be upheld in the presence of family, close acquaintances, and native Aristocracies. The subject of piety comes into question during the exclusive interaction that transpires between Socrates and Euthyphro during trial procession in King Archon’s Court. The beginning stages of dialogue become initiated as Socrates addresses Euthyphro to explain his interpretation of piety, where Euthyphro responds by alleging that one component of this idea involves the impeachment of sinners, regardless of acknowledging them as your father, mother, or mere acquaintance. Socrates sought to object Euthyphro’s initial statement, by deeming his assertions as insufficient for he merely identified one facet as an example of a pious act, rather than describing its all-encompassing ideals. Euthyphro then attempts to retract his previous statement by counter arguing that piety encompasses all things that are dear to the gods. Socrates sustains opposition to Euthyphro’s response, in that what the gods consider to be sacred or beloved does not reflect similar perceptive opinion from others. Inadequacies presented throughout Euthyphro’s assertions suggest that the definition Socrates is requiring shall postulate a common basis for agreement. As Socrates grants Euthyphro...
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...goal? What features of the dialogue align his goals? I will also give own definition of piety/holiness and then take on the role of Socrates and respond to my own definition as I think he would. Plato conversation set close to the king Archon court were Socrates and Euthrophy cross words. The conversation surround Socrates trying to understand the concept of how gods see piety and impious in mankind. The debate between Socrates and Euthrophy is that Socrates wants a new form of definition for pious and impious needs to man needs to be judge by man not from god’s justice. The concept of holiness explain how to be devout religiously not the act of being love. The conversation emphasize the true meaning of piety and impiety, and important conversation between Socrates and Euthrophy took place because Socrates does not believe in tales mythology and Socrates would like a more reasonable answer to all his questions. At the end of the conversation both Socrates and Euthrypho concluded that holiness as something love by Gods because of stated of being holy First Euthrophy defines holiness as what is he doing as prosecuting his father is essential because it has incurred the religious principles. But Socrates rejects this definition as it was just an example of piety and it was not sufficient to reveal the foundational attributes of piety (Plato, 2013). Euthyphro’s second attend to define piety...
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...murder was just then Euthypho has a duty to let the matter be. If the murder was unjust then action should be taken against him. Euthypho then states that “A son is impious who prosecutes a father. Which shows, Socrates, how little they know what the gods think about piety and impiety.” (Plato, ND) After which Socrates questions what piety and impiety means. This then spurs the conversation towards their concepts of holiness. 2- Present the three definitions that Euthyphro uses in his response to Socrates, and then explain how Socrates refutes each of Euthyphro’s definitions. The first definition that Euthyphro uses is that piety is doing as he is doing, by persecuting any one that is guilty, whether it is of murder, sacrilege or anything that is similar to that. He states that impiety is not punishing those that are guilty of murder or sacrilege. Socrates feels that this is not a definition and isn’t dealt with properly. Socrates refutes this by stating those who prosecute are an example of a holy act and not a definition. He thereby urges Euthyphro to give a more general definition that can be identified as a standard that all other holy deeds could be recognized by. The second definition that he gives is that piety is what the gods hold dear and impiety is that which is not dear to them. Socrates is pleased by this general definition and proceeds to first point out that the gods often quarrel, then...
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...Euthyphro By Plato(Written 380 B.C.E) Euthyphro. Why have you left the Lyceum, Socrates? and what are you doing in the Porch of the King Archon? Surely you cannot be concerned in a suit before the King, like myself? Socrates. Not in a suit, Euthyphro; impeachment is the word which the Athenians use. Euth. What! I suppose that some one has been prosecuting you, for I cannot believe that you are the prosecutor of another. Soc. Certainly not. Euth. Then some one else has been prosecuting you? Soc. Yes. Euth. And who is he? Soc. A young man who is little known, Euthyphro; and I hardly know him: his name is Meletus, and he is of the deme of Pitthis. Perhaps you may remember his appearance; he has a beak, and long straight hair, and a beard which is ill grown. Euth. No, I do not remember him, Socrates. But what is the charge which he brings against you? Soc. What is the charge? Well, a very serious charge, which shows a good deal of character in the young man, and for which he is certainly not to be despised. He says he knows how the youth are corrupted and who are their corruptors. I fancy that he must be a wise man, and seeing that I am the reverse of a wise man, he has found me out, and is going to accuse me of corrupting his young friends. And of this our mother the state is to be the judge. Of all our political men he is the only one who seems to me to begin in the right way, with the cultivation of virtue in youth; like a good husbandman...
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...There were plenty of gods in time of Socrates and Euthyphro but what is liked or disliked by gods was decided by man.When Socrates and Euthyphro encountered in the court, the first thing they asked was "Why he is here?".Socrates was charged by being impious and Euthyphro was charging his father because his father did something impious.In this case, what Socrates did was not believing what all people believe and this action was considered as impiety but, Euthyphro was sending his father to death because his father killed somebody and what Euthyphro was doing is considered as the right thing, even if his father commited crime.In the dialogue we see how the definition of piety and impiety changes from beginning to end of the dialogue.To analyze the question and to understand the difference between god-loved and piety, we should handle the situations from both Socrates' and Euthyphro's point of view. Firstly, Socrates was prosecuted, indicted in his words, because of being impious."An action or a man dear to the gods is...
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...the charges of impiety and corrupting the youth are brought against him. The concept of piety and holiness takes a prominent position in the conversation because it is the reason behind Socrates’ impending trial. There he encounters Euthyphro, who reveals to Socrates that he is prosecuting his father for murder to which Socrates is almost sarcastically in awe. This concept takes a prominent position in conversation because Socrates questions the definition of piety and holiness, and questions Euthyphro if his knowledge of religion and things both pious and impious that he’s not afraid of being impious by bringing action against his own father (Plato and Jowett, n.d.). Over the course of the conversation, Euthyphro presents multiple definitions, through his own interpretation, of what piety is. The first definition presented by Euthyphro is “that piety is doing as I do, prosecuting you father (if he is guilty) on a charge of murder; doing as the gods do-as Zeus did to Cronos, and Cronos to Uranus” (Plato & Jowett, n.d.). Socrates’ feels that his dislike of the mythologies is what causing him to be charged with impiety, He goes on to refute this “definition” by stating “doing as I do, charging a father with murder, may be a single instance of piety, but can hardly be regarded as a general definition” (Plato & Jowett, n.d.). The second definition given by Euthyphro is that “piety is what is dear to the gods, and impiety is what is not dear to them” (Plato & Jowett...
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...not believing in the Gods and is facing trial. Socrates requests that Euthyphro teach him the meaning of piety, when he finds out that Euthyphro is persecuting his father for being impious. Euthyphro gives off attributes instead of the nature of piety. Socrates refutes Euthyphro's responses and persuades him to agree on what Socrates believes. They both agree eventually on piety having to do with justice The concept of holiness emerges into the dialogue from the moment it was known that Socrates was accused for lacking holiness and misrepresenting religious doctrine, and this is why he was facing trial. Socrates ask Euthyphro for the definition of piety and it is when Euthyphro responds the second time telling Socrates that holiness is what is pleasant to the gods, that it comes into notion. Holiness is important in the dialogue not only to prove that Euthyphro was not as wise as he thought but also so Socrates could know the nature of piety and use it to justify himself and his lifestyle. With Euthyphro being a believer of the gods and Socrates not believing in the gods, Socrates criticized Euthyphro's thoughts. Socrates uses elenchos approach with Euthyphro by asking questions of others to try and lead them indirectly to the truth. He is facing trial for this reason, he was accused of this with the young Athenians. When Euthyphro was asked the meaning of piety, he first answered that it was what he was doing and other acts, such as persecuting his father for being...
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...Week Three Euthyphro Plato What is the definition of pity? What is the definition of holiness? All individuals have their own way of thinking and views. What one may think of holy and pity another may not. What will be discussed in this paper is the concept of holiness emerges in the dialogue and why it takes a prominent position in the conversation between Socrates and Euthyphro, the three definitions that Euthyphro uses in his response to Socrates, Formulate your own argument as to what you think Socrates’s goal is in this dialogue. And finally a definition of my own of piety/ and holiness. There are several times that holiness has emerged throughout the dialogue. In the dialogue Socrates and Euthyphro are speaking of Euthyphro father being charged with murder than they began to speak of holiness and the knowledge of religion. Socrates states in the dialogue “Euthyphro! And is your knowledge of religion and of things pious and impious so very exact, that, supposing the circumstances to be as you state them, you are not afraid lest you too may be doing an impious thing in bringing an action against your father”( Socrates, 2010)? Holiness takes prominent position in the conversation between the Socrates and Euthyphro because Euthyphro wants to get his father in trouble for the murder and the conversation about holiness arises. The main problem is what are holy and the definition. No matter what one may believe in, one should still have faith, believe and follow the GODs...
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...Euthyphro and Socrates meet to discuss the nature of piety and impiety. Through Socratic examination, Socrates challenges Euthyphro’s religious beliefs through questioning the underlying presumptions which constituent the fundamental belief of what is a right and wrong decision for Euthyphro and his religious followers. In this series of discussion, Euthyphro concludes with a variation of answers which differs from his previous conclusion. The first assumption that Euthyphro claims is that piety is to prosecute those who are unjust, also known as the impious, against the will of the righteous gods. Socrates rejects this definition, in which he states that here must be something, a standard of some sort that makes each impious act deemed to...
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...to court because Meletucs has an indictment against him. The indictment is for making innovations in religious matters and comes before the court to slander you. Knowing such things are easy to misrepresent to the majority of people 2. What is Euthyphro’s first definition of piety? Euthyphro offers as his first definition of piety what he is doing now, that is, prosecuting his father for manslaughter 3. Does Socrates accept the stories about the gods? No he does not. 4. What is Euthyphro’s second definition of piety? Euthyphro's second definition: piety is what is pleasing to the gods (6e-7a). 5. What is Euthyphro’s third definition of piety? The third definition reads: What all the gods love is pious, and what they all hate is impious 6. What dilemma does Socrates force upon Euthyphro? Socrates asks whether gods love the pious, because it is the pious, or the pious is the pious, because it is loved by the gods (10a)? In other words: do the gods love something because it is pious, or is something pious because the gods love it? 7. What is Euthyphro’s fourth definition of piety? he then points out a little later, this is still not enough for a definition, since piety belongs to those actions we call just or morally good. 8. Does Euthyphro ever adopt the other horn of the dilemma? Suppose we put the Euthyphro dilemma into a monotheistic context. Suppose further that we use right and wrong rather than pious or impious. The dilemma would...
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