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Simmias Attunement Argument:
-soul is the byproduct of the body, only comes to existence when all parts of the body are in proper arrangement
-the soul includes our being conscious, our intellect, etc. is nothing more than the body
-(epiphenomenalism) the mind is caused by physical events
-Socrates: dualism
-simmias epiphenomenalism: claims that the soul is a byproduct of the body, and the soul depends on the body for its existence

Socrates Three counter arguments t simmias attunement argument.

Socrates answers simmias directly by offering three arguments against his argument (attunement)

First Argument: No Harmony between attunement and the theory of recollection
-the two theories are not in tune with one another
-the soul could not outlast the body or exist outside of the body
-you cannot believe the theory of recollection and also believe that the soul is nothing more than the attunement of the body.
-the 2 positions do not harmonize with each other, therefore simmias must give up one belief
Plato’s hypothetical method:
1: Theory of forms (fundamental postulate)
2: Theory of Recollection (derivative belief)
3: The Soul is Immortal (derivative belief) attunement is not a good way to understand the soul.
Second Argument:
-are there degrees of attunement?
Part 1: Yes
-more in tune (therefore more of a soul)
-less in tune (less of a soul)
Part 2: No
-both equally in tune (therefore all souls are equally wise and virtuous)
Part 3: Yes & No
-all souls need to be equal (to be souls), and unequal (to account for qualities.) wicked<->virtuous (souls need to be equal ex.1/10 vs 5/10) ignorant<->wise (eg.4/10 vs 10/10 (philosopher soul)) attunement doesn't work at all when trying to understand the soul attunement is a quality of a guitar, but not a substantive
Third Argument:
-the soul must always conform to the body
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